The only thing I remember from courses I had in probability a few years ago is that we also have to *clearly* defined the event we want to calculate the probability. On the Freakonomics blog, last week, the Israeli lottery was mentioned (here, see also there where I mentioned that, and odds facts from the French lottery),

Yesterday, Andrew Gelman claimed (here) that there was a *probability error*… Well, since Andrew is really a statistician (and a good one… while I am barely an economist), I tried to do the maths…. and to understand where the *error* was coming from…

Since 6 numbers are drawn out of a pool of numbers from 1 to 37, the total number of combination at each lottery is

> (n=choose(37,6)) [1] 2324784

Over 8 lotteries (since there are two draws per week, we can assume there 8 draws per month), the probability of no identical draws is

Here is the R code for those who want to check, again,

> prod(n-0:7)/n^8 [1] 0.999988

Each month, the probability of “coincidence” (I define “*coincidence*” the event “*over 8 draws, at least two times, we obtained the same 6-uplet*” or more precisely (as mentioned here) “*over one calendar month, at least two times, we obtained the same 6-uplet*“) is

> (p=1-(prod(n-0:7)/n^8)) [1] 1.204407e-05

The occurrence of a coincidence each month as a Geometric distribution, with probability p. And it is classical, following Gumbel’s definition (here), to consider 1/p, called the “*return period*“, i.e. the number of months we have to wait until we observe a coincidence (i.e. a repetition in the same month), since for a geometric distribution

> 1/p/(12) [1] 6919.034

Here, the (expected) return period is 6919 *years*.

From my point of view, this is “*the incident of six numbers repeating themselves within a calendar month*”, and this is an event of once in 6919.034 years. On the other hand the median of a geometric distribution is

> -log(2)/log(1-p)/(12) [1] 4795.88

which means that we have 50% chance to get such a coincidence over 4796 years.

Of course, if instead of looking at a longer period, say 100 draws, i.e. one year (here I define “*coincidence*” the event “*over 100 draws, at least two times, we obtained the same 6-uplet*“), we have in red the expected return period, and in blue the median of the geometric distribution,

> M=E=rep(NA,100) > for(i in 2:100){ + p=1-exp((sum(log(n-0:(i-1)))-i*log(n))) + E[i]=1/p/(100/i) + M[i]=-log(2)/log(1-p)/(100/i) + } > plot(1:100,E,ylim=c(0,10000),type="l",col="red",lwd=2) > lines(1:100,M,col="blue",lwd=2) > abline(v=8,lty=2) > points(8,E[8],pch=19,col="red") > points(8,M[8],pch=19,col="blue")

or below of a log-scaled version

As Xi’an did (here), assume now that there is a lottery over 100 countries. Here I define “*coincidence*” the event “*over k lottery draws over 100 around the world, at least two times, we obtained the same 6-uplet*“, and then the previous graph becomes (with on the *x* axis the level of *k*)

Here I have a 12% chance if we consider probability to have identical numbers over a month…

But here, we can have one 6-uplet in Israel, and the other one in Egypt, say… If we want to get the same 6-uplet in the same country, the graph is now

i.e. each month there is a chance over one thousand…

> i=8 > p=1-exp((sum(log(n-0:(i-1)))-i*log(n))) > 1-(1-p)^100 [1] 0.001203689

**Note**: actually, Xi’an mentioned that the probability that this coincidence [of two identical draws over 188 draws] occurred in at least one out of 100 lotteries (there are hundreds of similar lotteries across the World) is 53%! And I got the same,

> 1-(1-P[188])^100 [1] 0.5305219

OpenEdition suggests that you cite this post as follows:

Arthur Charpentier (November 2, 2010). Comments on probabilities. *Freakonometrics*. Retrieved November 8, 2024 from https://doi.org/10.58079/oufi

sur la tricherie roumaine, j’avais écrit ceci :

http://www.vicnent.info/blog/index….

The geometric model is a simplification of the actual process in that we are considering repeated draws within a month time interval rather than within a calendar month. This means excluding (n-7) values from each draw after the first month draws, which increases the final probability…

ANSWER: you’re right, I forgot to mention that a “month” here was a “calendar month“… so if one 6-uplet shows up end of October and again beginning of November, it does not count.