There was an interesting post, published a few days ago, entitled This Blog is a Waste of My Time. The funny thing is that I had exactly the same experience at the same time. Since 2013 ended, I wanted to update my resume. And I observed that I got zero publications in the past two years years. Zero. Nada. Nothing published in 2012 and nothing published in 2013. Of course, it is mainly a timing issue, since several papers are still in the loop, and I might end up with a few papers published in 2014 (at least one was accepted the first week of 2014). But still… When I decided to turn off my laptop yesterday evening at 2 a.m. (this morning actually) I started wondering also if blogging wasn’t a waste of time. Or if it was something else.
- My Research is a Waste of My Time (and not only mine)
This will sound like a cliché, but academic do waste a lot of time when doing (or pretending doing) some research,
- wasting time applying for grants: do I have to be more specific here? By wasting time I mean working during a month (almost) to fill forms, and there then get a “your proposal is extremely interesting, you got positive feedback from the reviewers, unfortunately, there’s no funding from the government…“. We all had this experience. We’re wasting our time here… and the reviewers time, too.
- wasting time in committees: as mentioned above, I have to spend time in research committees, reading applications for grants, but also in faculty committed, discussing office allocation for instance. We got more postdocs, visitors, interns than available seats… and for some reasons, I am on the bargaining comity, trying to argue with my colleague that my postdoc staying for 6 weeks should be before his visitor staying for 2 weeks on the priority list. I do have to do this, but you have to admit that, somehow, you waste the time of four tenured professor (plus me, I am not tenured) on some bullshit here… I am also on the PhD comity, where we receive applications. In December, we did spend a lot of time on the application of one candidate, potentially interesting (like many hours, discussing and arguing), and we’re not even sure that if we agree to enroll him in the PhD program, the candidate will join. If he’s not coming, that will be a waste of time
- wasting time in the review process: it looks like I spent more time reading and writing reports on others papers than writing my own ! Ok, that might be an actual quote I got from one of my referees in a recent paper… I keep saying that I should start saying “no, I am too busy” when an editor ask me for a review. But I also keep saying that a lot of bullshit managed to get published. So I cannot stand aside and wait. I mean, I could: I’m French and we’re usually good for this kind of things. But I’d rather be involved in the process, advise the editor if the paper is not worth it, and help to improve the paper if it might be interesting. But again, I spend a lot of time in this process. I know what others are doing, but I keep delaying my own. You cannot find my name if you look for articles published in 2012 or 2013, but I am somewhere, as one of those anonymous referees thanked at the end of the article (who sometimes spent more time on the paper than the PhD supervisor who barely knows what the paper is about, but still has his – or her – name on it). There was an interesting post by Rob Hyndman entitled How to get your paper rejected quickly a few weeks ago. I still don’t know if I agree with everything, but I agree that “reviewers spend a great deal of time providing comments, and it is disrespectful to ignore them” (I would say “might spend“, but I do not want to argue on that point today). A lot of time is wasted in the publication process.
- wasting time trying to get data: before Julie started her internship in September, I tried to get datasets to work on demographic problems. I started discussing (and filling) forms to get French datasets, and managed to get a smaller in Québec. The agenda was simple: we work on the small dataset, write the code, and then, once we’ll get the big dataset, we’ll just use the code that we tested on the small one. After 6 months, I still wonder if my form has been accepted, and if, someday, I will be able to get access to this dataset. I know that the dataset exists. I mean, I know that two datasets exist, and I just ask for a merge… but it looks like there might be ethical considerations, so it takes time.
I do waste a lot of time in the process of making research, and I do not mention here procrastination. Actually, I believe that procrastination is extremely important, and is not a waste of time… But I will get back, someday, on that point in another post.
- My Teaching Related Duties are a Waste of My Time
I will not claim that teaching is a waste of time. I am still extremely pretentious, and I believe that by the end of my courses, my students could actually learn something… But the problem is more on associated duties. One might think of writing the exams (and sketches of solutions) or grading (since I do not have T.A.s to help). It takes time. A lot of time actually. But I won’t consider it as wasted. Two shorts stories to explain what I mean (that occurred in the Autumn session)
- in September, I gave a course, and there were 4 tests scheduled. A few hours before the first one, I got an email from a student, asking me to reschedule it because he could not be there. He asked me to postpone his examen a few days after. I said no, essentially because we signed an agreement on the first day, and the student knew by that time that he will not be able to be there for the exam. And never told me before. I decided to stand on this principle. The thing is the student invoked religious matters, and I understood it will start to be stinky soon. But I had principles. I got some moral support from my colleagues, and from my Dean, but everyone was telling me that I was in charge in this battle (“we support you, but you’re on your own“) since we have our academic independence. I did ask for legal backup from the Professors Union (three times) and no feedback. Then, I heard that a letter had been sent to the rector by a lawyer, and within 10 minutes, I gave the student everything he asked. If he asked me to take the test on a Sunday, I would have said yes… Just because lawyers basic rule is to waste others time, or money. So I gave up. I did not want to waste my time on that battle, on my own. The funny (?) side of this story is that so did the student: I agreed to postpone the test at the end of the session, he came for the second test (but never show up in my class) and got a little bit more than 30%. I did not get further news from him, and he did not take the other tests. But I did waste quite some time, and some bad nights and insomnia, too.
- in December, I was grading some homework I gave to my students (practical, on databases) and I saw on two forums that a pair of students was asking for help. Actually, it was not help but could you please do this for me ? They did mention the number of their database (each group had a different database, and the person who posted the question in those forums was located in Montréal). This was fraud, or at least fraud attempt. So I gave them 0% – on that specific homework. Students confessed that they did ask for help on the forum (but never asked me anything)… and I gave up. I mean, I decided to grade their work, and I did fill a form for fraud, sent to the faculty, so that it will be someone else’s problem. I did not want to spend time arguing that those students clearly should not get the exam (one of them had only 20% at the final written exam – the other one 36%) : if they want to learn something, taking the course in the Winter session was clearly an opportunity to learn something… But they din’t get it, and I gave up.
I clearly waste time on a lot of things. But when I look back at the past four or five years, I might feel ashamed not to have more prestigious (somehow) publications, lectures notes without typos everywhere, but at least, the blog is something I am still proud of, sort of. And when I end up working, tired, around 2 a.m., I have the feeling that something is wrong, and that a lot of time has been wasted. And I have to confess that I think I should give up on something… But I don’t think it will be on my blogging activity.
11 thoughts on “Wasting Time (and Givin’ Up)”
Terrific post however I was wondering if you could write a litte more on this topic? I’d be very grateful if you could elaborate a little bit more. Thank you!
Ce qui (me) permets de croire encore au système qui ne devrait pas être celui que tu décris, c’est justement que les enseignants-chercheurs comme toi -et Fabien, malgré la pression, malgré les heures de sommeil en moins, malgré les coups et parfois l’arrogance de certains, n’oublient pas leurs valeurs et celles de l’université, et poursuivent leur métier, au quotidien, en accord avec leurs convictions. Ne lâchez rien! et merci.
In term of interest, I’m pretty sure that your bloguing activity creates more value than most of statistical / actuarial academic research I can read.
Go on !
Je ressens exactement la même chose… comme toi il m’arrive (notamment lorsque je me couche à pas d’heure depuis tant d’années) de me demander si ceux qui ont abondonné n’ont pas eu raison. Il n’empêche que lorsque je repense à ecopublix, au blog de salanié, à optimum (ah nostalgie, c’était des super blog) je me dis qu’un blog c’est du temps perdu uniquement si on arrête. Le boulot que tu fais ici est vraiment inestimable. Je suis sûr aussi que tes rapports doivent être utiles aux auteurs et c’est l’essentiel. Pour ce qui est des comités de sélection et autres délices du genre c’est clair que c’est méga chronophage, mais bon oublions les égoistes qui ne pensent qu’à leur papier et qui refusent tout, ce genre de chose fait partie du job et c’est important (même si c’est absolument pas valorisé, je suis d’accord). Il est aussi certain qu’il faut du temps pour faire de la recherche de haut niveau, beaucoup de temps, cela nécessite peut être de tout arrêter, de se consacrer uniquement à cela. Je ne m’y suis pas résolu, j’ai encore envie de croire que l’on peut tout concillier (mais mon cv me dit pourtant le contraire, pour l’instant du moins)… tiens nous au courant.
merci Fabien pour le témoignage !
une autre manière dont j’aurais pu présenter le problème (j’en discutais avec un collègue ce midi) c’est que les CV reflètent peu l’activité réelle ! sur mon CV, je n’ai rien fait ! des comités, des demandes de financements (qui aboutissent ou pas)… même pour les jurys de thèse: j’ai refusé de participer a deux jurys ces derniers mois, pensant que les étudiants n’étaient pas prêts. Refuser m’a mis dans une position indélicate, m’a forcé a me justifier auprès de l’étudiant, du directeur de thèse, du président de l’école doctorale, ça n’en finissait plus. J’aurais accepté, tout aurait été facile, et j’aurais gagné une ligne sur mon CV. La, j’ai fait un rapport, plein de discussion, mais jamais je ne pourrais en parler sur mon CV. De manière générale, je trouve que l’évaluation des enseignants chercheurs est très mal faite, en France comme a l’étranger. Les évaluations des enseignants sont basés (uniquement) sur l’avis des étudiants, en fin de session L oui, au moment ou ils sont dans les projets, en train de pester. Les élèves me détestent dans les évaluations. Et c’est normal, mon cours n’est pas un concours de beauté: faire un modèle, l’estimer, le critiquer, c’est pénible, et ça prend du temps. Mais je suis convaincu que les élèves apprennent quelque chose (je l’espère en tous les cas). Il faudrait avoir l’avais des élèves quelques mois plus tard. J’aimerais bien faire un cours d’algèbre linéaire, mais plusieurs collègues me l’ont déconseillé pour mon évaluation (je ne suis pas encore titulaire) car les élèves détestent ce cours “qui ne sert a rien”. Sauf quelques mois plus tard, quand on veut faire les analyses en composantes principales, qu’on veut visualiser des données, qu’on veut formaliser un peu des problèmes, etc.
Comme je l’ai déjà dit, j’aime mon blog, mon îlot de tranquillité et de calme loin de toute cette agitation vaine. C’est pour ça que je dis que si je baisse les bras, ça ne sera pas – a priori – en lâchant le blog, que je trouve plus utilise que le reste ! Mais je me trompe peut-être !
Bon courage pour ton blog ! C’est toujours une source fabuleuse de réflexions (même si je ne poste pas de commentaires… je n’aime pas trop écrire chez les autres, je suis un vieil ours des cavernes, et je reste chez moi autant que possible !)
I think the issue is that all of these activities have some benefit to yourself, either directly (e.g., networking, learning by teaching/reviewing) or indirectly (e.g., improving your field, better quality of students).
Thus, I wonder if one could apply game theory to develop an optimal strategy for whether to agree to review a paper or sit on a committee.
if you find one, please let me know !
On the Research side, I don’t see that as waste, peer review is part of the process and if only limited amount of people was doing it loads of decent papers would never be published…
Agree with you on Teaching though, only downside here !
Glad to hear you will keep up the blogging activity !
I agree that it is a part of the process… but I did accept so many those past months ! And research activities need consecutive hours where I can seat, quietly… I have the feeling that each time I had 2 consecutive days to work on my research – since September – I spent it writing reports.